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showin aloha for SUDARSHAN

It just smacks of all of the pretentions of Jo Whiley, student union bars and people trying to make the right noises....hip, hip, hip....press repeat 10,000 times and watch the life drain from your eyes

I hope we're through...oooohh x

LEAVE BEFORE DAWN need a change they live in Devon for Christ sake lol ! How else can we get signed! they all work mon - fri and drive up to London on a week night to play and we home by 4 am and back to work by 9am !!! and it cost us 80 quid ! but we love it!!!! Give us a GO JOE!

well edthefish lookin at page44's myspace page a lot of people think different to u, they have over half a million views.

not impressed by those 9 at all! Page44 been knocking round for years I nearly promoted them for a festival 3 years ago didn't think they were good enough!
I seriously hope the rest are way better than this shortlist!

my imaginary horse is rocking! where is everybody?!!!

p.s i predicted dirty fuzz should get thru in a previous blog. i am so delighted, on many diifferent levels that a gr8 black rock wench fronted band is through

...i might even start sharing my jaffa cakes...

...or is it just the ones who are going to be up for auditions this Saturday? Hmm...

How come only 9 finalists are up at the moment?

i was right! i am psychic! one of the bands i thought got thru did! Dirty Fuzz! this pleases me! ; )

i was wondering why the finalists hadn't been finalised seeing as they have a gig to do at the weekend....

I would suggest that the reason All That's Left's post is still up, is that the peeps running this site aren't actually interested in reading these comments anymore.

I don't buy the checking out the bands smokescreen to be honest, this might have been true for a few days but how long would it take an organisation as big as Orange or Channel 4 to do this.

I suspect they have their own reasons for the delay which most likely has something to do with the best time to release the news that will have the biggest commercial / financial / advertising benefit for the company.

BTW Speaking your mind is not the same as throwing your toys out the pram Sam.

As Van Morrison once said - "I love music - hate the music business"

It must be terrible for the bands that are through to the next bit who may be looking at some of the comments on here!

Think I'll change the subject ....

I'm hoping the celebrity guest panelist will be very mischievous, unruly and uncontrollable

I like a very wide range of music, so as long as they are good at what they do I'll be happy with the final selection ... if not I will say when I've had a listen :)

lets face it, anyone who takes pride in what they do will always feel they need to work on their act. my audition was short and sweet with no real critique feedback (apart from nodding, smiling and bouncing along to my tune and for some reason musing over whether rosa or rosie was the more interesting name). thousands of bands cant be useless and it would be unreasonable to see each of them in a proper live situation. therefore, subjectivity aside, who can possibly say that one of the THOUSANDS of bands that didn't get through would not be better than some of the final lot. as for me. i know i rock! my mum told me ; )

Well, getting back to positives.

Epitaph Records has a section where you can upload songs and it will be listened to by the public, but also by the staff at Epitaph Records.

I don't think a lot of people know about this, 'cause there weren't many demos uploaded...

www.epitaph.com/demolition/

Maybe a spinning bow tie should do it ... won't take much ;)

hi 50ft - we were wondering the same - ATL have a good point though - whereas we, apparently need to work on our act....

My sweepstake was wrong - All_That's_Left's post is still up, 3 hours later!!! Hang on .. how come certain words aren't allowed but they are ????

Sorry if that came across as harsh, but when we quite plainly say that we're not bitter, don't have a problem and merely raising suggestions for improvements for next year, and in turn get basically told that we're bitter, twisted and cr*p, well, we react.

Hi Fried:

Do people on here have a problem reading? Quoted from my original post...

"No, we do not plan on "ruining" this for anyone else, as you so eloquantly put it. Svein93 plans on reviewing bands, but that's it. If any bands slip through the cracks, good luck to them!!! If we could have slipped through the cracks, we certainly wouldn't have look happily upon acts who ruined it for us. We have no problems with ANY of the bands that have gotten through."

If that's too hard to understand, allow us to clarify even futher...

TORN ASUNDER WILL NOT BE INVESTIGATING ANY BANDS THAT GET THROUGH!

Meg and Mark / Torn Asunder
Why do you feel like you have to investigate the bands that got through? I know you got played on some radio stations and some done some gigs but come on! you've got enough to concern yourself with, your bands could really do with some work, hence why you didn't get chosen. Do you not think you should maybe put some positive energy into making your efforts actual business oppotunities rather than trying to find flaws in this competition. I understand you didn't get through and this has hurt your ego's but belive me it's best someone tells you now so you can do something about it. I understand that all of your friends and family are probably full of praises for your music but unfortunatley you shouldn't belive it. CHOP CHOP Get over it and stop being so bitter.

not the same person.

ok torn thanks for clearing that up.

meg: no need for you to check for funny business, that is prob why it is taking so long, ie T's crossed and I's dotted.,

Bird Flu: Are you and Lucid the same person or something? You seem to post at the same times and have identical opinions...

To answer Lucid's questions:

1) No, we do not plan on "ruining" this for anyone else, as you so eloquantly put it. Svein93 plans on reviewing bands, but that's it. If any bands slip through the cracks, good luck to them!!! If we could have slipped through the cracks, we certainly wouldn't have look happily upon acts who ruined it for us. We have no problems with ANY of the bands that have gotten through.
2) As far as financial backing, that is part of our management contract, and according to the Orange rules, Management contracts that were in place before the competition started are fine.

Allow us to reiterate...

We don't have any problem with Orange, Universal, Princess TV, the other bands, Jesus or anything. We just believe that there have been organisational issues with the competition and hope that the organisers have seen, learned and will improve for next year.

ah lucid - wondered where you'd got to - we dont really understand your problem with torn - you seem to have misunderstood every one of their posts - now let us make this CLEAR - we will be checking on all of the finalists to make sure that there has been no funny business - as we have said before it seems unlikely that if you have enough fans to win the vote that you wouldn't have tried some on-line comp or scheme (like slice...) in order to raise your profile - similarly the 29 picked by the panel - who presumably are gigging serious musicians might also have done the same - thus causing a headache for orange - none of this is sour grapes - merely a matter of being sure that no-one has been treated unfairly - win or lose

we - like torn asunder signed up to slice the pie after reading a blog on here - thus unknowingly disqualifying ourselves - unlike torn - we were not phoned by orange etc....

Torn asunder:"Because heels have been dragged on this, bands and fans of bands that haven't got through are, as someone else pointed out, will be investigating all the bands to see if they are indeed eligable, according to Princess TV."

does that mean you are tihnking of doing this. dont look for ways take away anyones glory just because you didnt get through.

whats all that stuff on your website about getting a financer, did that not have anything to do with you getting disqualified? maybe they just didnt want to take a risk with you, even if it was unfounded.

How odd? Just clicked on a band whose CD was on the home page. (Only because they are being described by a number of peope in the business as the next big thing.) Went to thier orange page and they have no songs, and no myspace link. Checked out their myspace page, returned to this site, and they are not listed alphabetically. What a confusing site.

Shoot the Duke: Don't forget as well, there is now the new Channel 4 Music channel, so I reckon there is bound to be repeats on there.

While we are waiting, should we have a sweepstake on how long All That's Left's post stays up?? :D

we'd like to unashamedly plug friends of ours who have recently won another of these comps - swansea's own kiddo 360 - check em out

A sensible question for Sam.

Last year the show was broadcast sunday morning/midday on T4. Given that most bands do not even understand the concept of 'mornng', or ever experienced one, will the programme be available on C4 on demand?

You know... some people are so meek and don't really say what they feel.

Yea, all thats left, get down off the fence, and tell us what you actual mean.
Love it!

all thats left - like your style!

Torn, youre right. Give me a minute and I'll come up with another theory. lol.
(Gotta find something to talk about until the results are published)

btw. Dont forget that the last few in the comp have an `option' contract with Universal. So if you don't win, and you are good enough, you may get signed anyway. Never understood why orange don't make more of this. To us thats one of the reasons this comp stands head and shoulders above anything else out there.

Hey Duke... The only problem with your theory is it does imply an "unfair" competition that is rigged in favour of a particular band. If this is the case, then the entire thing would be a waste of time, and they may as well cancel the contest and A&M Records could just sign the artits.

Bet Sam wished he had stayed at home today. lol.

Right, time for another theory.
Initial delays were because of the sheer volume of entries. Approx 2000 last year, 7000 this year.
Further delays were caused by the rapidly changing face of the music business re. releasing material. What does unsigned actually mean?
Problems were excaserbated (yea, I know, I can't spell) by a poorly designed website (last years was brilliant).
Further delays are being caused because orange have found a band(s) that will blow you all away.
Lets face it, if the bands with contractural problems were nothing special, it would be a simple case of orange saying, sorry guys we have a problem with your current deal, as they have already done to some bands.
end of theory

as those of you who have been regularly following the blogs will know - we broadly agree with many of the comments made re: the frustration of not knowing who the 54 are

yeah we're a band and we didnt get through - so what - we are also music fans - during the voting stages we listened to about 2000 of the bands on here and have our own opinion on the high standard of entries - what we really would like to do now is listen to those bands who are in the auditions... the same as many others on here

by the by - for any of you in swansea - there's a rare chance to see our nico perfoming in the uplands tavern tonite - yeah its an omn - but its one of our locals - and we support our local music scene - and finally - our debut ep will be available through our myspazz account in a day or two
pip pip

I don't envy Orange, as they have sorta been a victim of their success, so to speak.

One of the things that we were told, when discussing Slice the Pie, was the the Channel 4 Lawyers had stated ineligability, and one of the reasons being that "if a band on Slice the Pie got through, then another band might complain..." However, IF the Slice the Pie thing had not been made a big deal about in the first place, I doubt that there would have been anything said by any of the bands.

Because heels have been dragged on this, bands and fans of bands that haven't got through are, as someone else pointed out, will be investigating all the bands to see if they are indeed eligable, according to Princess TV.

As the time goes on, this really is going to cheapen it for those who were successful, as there are a lot of people who just can't be bothered with it now, and that's a shame for the successful artits!

peeps are saying bitter like its a bad thing...
*wensday adams smile*

i am not bitter cos i didn't get to perform my pro woman sex song to Jo Whiley (an important role model star in a male dominated industry)
Nah uh...AND, i am not bitter cos others had more jaffa cakes than me...

p.s i do not have a crush on ms whiley despite the fact she looked hot when i saw her backstage at a catatonia gig some years ago...

...bitter, moi? i can get my own jaffa cakes!
*harlesden kiss*

I blame the parents.

Hmm... Some interesting comments, here. It is a shame that no one seems to be able to organise anything properly, these days. It's all very well having these high-profile competitions, but you have to attend to the little details to make it work. x P x

Sam, gotta get this off my chest,
............Its all very well for Orange to say they are doing checks and for us to "Play Nice" but apparently, it's not ok for orange to show due respect for (like Torn Assunder said, I think) the time and effort made by all of the acts.
Personally, I want to know how a particular act has done,or even if they have been listened to. I never expected to see global dommination, or stadium tours from this for them, just a fair chance to compete in a competition that is run professionally. This could be achieved by providing a date as to when we will know more, and that date being adhered to.

I don't think this is unreasonable, or should be particularly difficult to acheive by a competition that has multi-national backing.

Rich Young

Most if not all of the

Didn't have this problem last year. It was an unsigned competition for unsigned bands. If you had a contract you were out (Gilkicker). Simple enough.
You can bet that once the winners are announced every band who has been disqualified for being 'signed' will be checking to see whether the bands selected have released anything, and who they released it through.
Thw winner of orangeunsigned this year is.......the one whose got the best lawyer.
On another matter. Whats wrong with a good moan? Fair enough, if you are moaning about not getting through, you deserve a bit of stick. But if you are having a moan about elements of the competition, why not. Artists all agreed the terms and conditions when entering, i.e. none of the artists can now sign with anyone else for a few months; yet orange have not stuck to their side of the deal as detailed by 50ft Woman. So why shouldnt we give orange a bit of stick. I dont think they are going to lose any sleep over it, are they?

I too have come back every day to check the results. I think one of the main problems is that is doesn't seem to matter HOW big a 'name' is in these competitions - Road to V, Orange, whoever, it NEVER seems to go as it should. There is always some element of disappointment.

Not disappointment from the fact you didn't get through .. that goes without saying, of course, in everything, there will be winners and losers. Disappointment from the fact that certain things on this site were frustrating from the start! The site kept crashing, it was impossible to get certain bits of feedback as in - how many visitors, how many votes, how many listens - all the things bands like to know!! yes there are ways to comment on the profiles, but no way for bands to comment back. And only having a news blog that people could comment on, meant it became an unofficial forum.

Then voting didn't open when it was meant to, which meant that bands/artists who had done press and mailshots galore to get fans and friends at it got pretty frustrated. And there is nothing worse than getting feedback from a fan who tried to vote but couldn't because the site crashed, or it wasn't clear enough HOW to vote or that it just didn't let them log in!! You DO take all these things personally, when someone who likes your music has taken the time out to show their support, but can't!

Then not being able to announce the last 50 BEFORE the last chance auditions .. that just seems silly.

I totally understand the minefield of contractual blah blah that must need to be discussed with these things, but perhaps a better clarification of terms and conditions in the beginning would mean a clearer way to announce finalists in the end - like if you have signed up to this this or this, then there MAY be problems in the end.

And don't forget, like Torn Asunder said, just because we are in bands or are artists, it doesn't mean we are not fans, it doesn't mean we don't have bands that we want to get through and show OUR support to.

I don't think it is sour grapes .. just frustration!!

But don't worry, we'll all be nice, good little boys and girls, won't we kiddywinkles. Condesending moi ?

I was almost moved to post something, but then again

I am quite proud of Torn Asunder, we were destined to be ditched from this competition, but you what, we are stronger and more highly motivated than we have ever been before.

We aren't going anywheres just yet, Torn Asunder is a name that is going to reach far and wide.

Watch this space.

Mo one very proud manager

*prods each of torn asunder on the opposite shoulder to which I'm standing and then runs away giddily*

Mwuhahahahaha I told you I would when you least expected it!

x

Yo Peanut:

Believe me... this ain't sour grapes. We have not been "moaning" as you like to point out. If you cared to read the post PROPERLY, you would have seen that our point was that A LOT of people (not just us) has put in a lot of time and effort into this competition, and the lack of regular information is frustrating. Speaking as a music fan, there are some bands that I am really curious if they got through (Polaris and Shelta to name 2) and want to show support if they did.

We didn't get through... disappointed? Sure? Bitter? Nope! Why? Because we're no worse off than we were when this started. In fact, we're better off. We have more fans, met cool people and are more well known than we were when we started. However, that doesn't mean that we're not going to speak our mind.

Toys? Pram? The absolute cheek of it!

Lol this website is quite funny, for some reason I still check it every day, I really do miss the conversation; unfortunately the idol plugging has been replaced by vented spline.

Just as our cohort Mr. Psychic Space Monkey predicted (he's like nostradamus only more accurate, although for some reason he refuses to pick our lottery numbers on the euro millions -_-)

....s my two penneth.

Love to everyone.
xxx

MassivePeanut,
is it Mojiito as on the songs, or Mojito as on your CD cover?

Remember guys,
Darnell have posted a video of part of the audition day on their myspace page under the video section. You need to follow the myspace link off our Orange Unsigned page or go to www.myspace.com/darnellmusic

and we're still waiting .... sam - if you are still checking if peeps are eligible - then how do you know who's going to play in five days? - do the bands who are playing know? if they do then they must be eligible- so why can't we know? - we dont expect to hear much for the next five days.....

in the meantime you could always give us a listen folks - can bbc wales, tom robinson, rockstarsglued radio and 2ser fm sydney really all be our personal friends? - or do they recognise a good tune when they hear one?
pip pip

torn asunder it sounds like sour grapes is exactly what it is. u weere all nicey nice until u found out u weren't thru and now all u do is moan moan moan. i'm checkin the site everyday to see if the bands have been revealed but i aint making a fuss when they arent. everything you just complained about in your last post is explained in this blog, so why in gods name are u still bangin on about it??!

"Just pointing out what we have noticed." - well sam has just pointed out that he has noticed what u noticed - so your post is pretty much a dead end moan about nowt

if they cant reveal em they can't reveal em, simple as.

For a so called unsigned competition it seems to be taking a long time just to check that someone is truly unsigned.

Wouldnt it be annoying for orange to find a band whose going to blow everyone away, only to find you have already disqualified someone else whose got a similar contract. Slice of pie anyone?

Hi Sam:

We can understand the hassles of doing all of the checks. However, I think PrincessTV need to understand that a lot of people dedicated a lot of time to this competition, and you have asked the bands that are through NOT to say anything... We know this for a fact as we were asked when it looked like we might be through. The initial 50 was decided by the 19th September. It's been 11 days and still no word. I'm sure Orange can appreciate the frustration, especially the fans who are desperate to know if their fave band made it.

And this is not sour grapes on our part. Just pointing out what we have noticed.